Qualifying examinations
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Qualifying exams vs PGRE
I am curious about the major difference between the PGRE and the later qualifying exams you will take once your graduate studies have begun.
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Re: Qualifying exams vs PGRE
The major difference is that you'll look back and say wow, feels like I had all the time in the world to study for the PGRE. 

Re: Qualifying exams vs PGRE
Physics GRE: Tricky conceptual problems that should not take more than a minute if you know how to solve it. Many of them can be done in your head, and the ones that require calculations only have a few steps. 100 problems total. Multiple choice. You get a real score that will help or hurt your admissions chances.
Quals/Prelims: More complicated problems that often require a lot of algebra, integrals, manipulations etc, even though they deal with very simplistic systems like those on the PGRE. (e.g. instead of a multiple choice question about how a pendulum would behave on the moon on the PGRE, you might have to solve the lagrangian eqs. of motion of a double pendulum on the quals). Doing well is often not as much about one's ability to think, but about having seen similar problems in one of the published qual prep books or on released past versions of the university's exams. There are often fewer than ~10 problems total on the test. The test is generally pass/fail and your exact score is not as important.
You can see examples of what the difference is by looking at old tests. 4 old PGRE's are avilable online. You can find qual problems in prep books like "A Guide to Physics Problems (Part 1 and 2)" or "Problems and Solutions on (Mechanics, EM, Quantum, Stat mech etc)". Also, many grad programs have old tests posted on their websites. Here is Princeton's.
Quals/Prelims: More complicated problems that often require a lot of algebra, integrals, manipulations etc, even though they deal with very simplistic systems like those on the PGRE. (e.g. instead of a multiple choice question about how a pendulum would behave on the moon on the PGRE, you might have to solve the lagrangian eqs. of motion of a double pendulum on the quals). Doing well is often not as much about one's ability to think, but about having seen similar problems in one of the published qual prep books or on released past versions of the university's exams. There are often fewer than ~10 problems total on the test. The test is generally pass/fail and your exact score is not as important.
You can see examples of what the difference is by looking at old tests. 4 old PGRE's are avilable online. You can find qual problems in prep books like "A Guide to Physics Problems (Part 1 and 2)" or "Problems and Solutions on (Mechanics, EM, Quantum, Stat mech etc)". Also, many grad programs have old tests posted on their websites. Here is Princeton's.
Re: Qualifying exams vs PGRE
The PGRE gets you in to grad school. The qualifying exams lets you stay there.
Re: Qualifying exams vs PGRE
I'd thought you'd say "The qualifying exams get you out of it."
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Qualifying examinations
Once you get past the PGRE. What about the MS and Phd qualifying exams.
What level is this at. From my research I ascertain it is at the level of advanced
undergraduate physics.
What about those qual. exams?
What level is this at. From my research I ascertain it is at the level of advanced
undergraduate physics.
What about those qual. exams?
Re: Qualifying examinations
The rules and format of quals are different in every school and every program, I think. Usually they will tell you about how their program work during the visit. If there is no visit, then they usually call you or Skype you and let you know. Also, the information is also usually clearly posted on the department website!
In general, these exams are at the level of the graduate coursework you do in the program! The exams usually happen in 2nd or 3rd year, after you have finished all (or most) of your classes. They are designed to generally test your knowledge of the fundamentals of your core classes. Sometimes they also want to test how well you know your research area and/or the breadth of your knowledge in research areas outside of your field. Sometimes it is a written exam, sometimes an oral exam, or sometimes both! In my program, the exam is oral only and consists of a defense of the research work performed thus far followed by questions mostly about our research topic.
In general, these exams are at the level of the graduate coursework you do in the program! The exams usually happen in 2nd or 3rd year, after you have finished all (or most) of your classes. They are designed to generally test your knowledge of the fundamentals of your core classes. Sometimes they also want to test how well you know your research area and/or the breadth of your knowledge in research areas outside of your field. Sometimes it is a written exam, sometimes an oral exam, or sometimes both! In my program, the exam is oral only and consists of a defense of the research work performed thus far followed by questions mostly about our research topic.
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Re: Qualifying examinations early study plan
I havent started grad school, and am already worrying about the qualifing exam.
Would this be a good plan to get started on early studying
1) http://www.amazon.com/Review-Undergradu ... te+physics
2) http://www.amazon.com/University-Chicag ... s+problems
Anyone ever taken a look at either the U. Chicago or the Princeton problem sets?
Would this be a good plan to get started on early studying
1) http://www.amazon.com/Review-Undergradu ... te+physics
2) http://www.amazon.com/University-Chicag ... s+problems
Anyone ever taken a look at either the U. Chicago or the Princeton problem sets?
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I don't know much about the resources you mentioned.
But the best resource I think is the series "Problems and Solutions on X (Major American Universities Ph.D. Qualifying Questions and Solutions)". They have at least four books on the major topics including mechanics, E&M, Quantum and Stat Mech/Thermo.
Another good one is the A Guide to Physics Problems series, aka. the red and blue books.
But the best resource I think is the series "Problems and Solutions on X (Major American Universities Ph.D. Qualifying Questions and Solutions)". They have at least four books on the major topics including mechanics, E&M, Quantum and Stat Mech/Thermo.
Another good one is the A Guide to Physics Problems series, aka. the red and blue books.
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Re: Qualifying examinations
Schools (such as, for example, UCSD and MIT) have large repositories of old exams. Good for getting a feel of what a qual can look like, and the best practice is doing, so working through these problems is a good way of getting ready.
EDIT: a comparison of quals at some top universities can be found here.
EDIT: a comparison of quals at some top universities can be found here.
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Re: Qualifying examinations prep books
I wont start grad school for a few semesters, so I have time to review some stuff for qual exams.
I found some books on amazon that help with qual exams.
1) University of Chicago (grad physics problems)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022612 ... d_i=507846
2) Princeton physics problems http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022612 ... d_i=507846
3) A complete review of undergraduate physics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047181 ... d_i=507846
I found some books on amazon that help with qual exams.
1) University of Chicago (grad physics problems)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022612 ... d_i=507846
2) Princeton physics problems http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022612 ... d_i=507846
3) A complete review of undergraduate physics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047181 ... d_i=507846